diff --git a/pkg/arvo/sys/lull.hoon b/pkg/arvo/sys/lull.hoon
index 860d0e886..59e9415fe 100644
--- a/pkg/arvo/sys/lull.hoon
+++ b/pkg/arvo/sys/lull.hoon
@@ -1140,8 +1140,8 @@
         [%lost ~]
         [%send =lane =blob]
     ::
-        [%tune =path sign=@ux data=(unit (cask))]
-        [%miss =path]
+        [%tune [=ship =path] roar=(unit roar)]
+        [%miss =ship =path]
     ::
         [%turf turfs=(list turf)]
     ==
@@ -1344,9 +1344,8 @@
         peep
     ==
   +$  roar  ::  response message
-    $:  sig=@
-        dat=$@(~ (cask))
-    ==
+    (tale:pki:jael (pair path (unit (cask))))
+  :::
   ::  $qos: quality of service; how is our connection to a peer doing?
   ::
   ::    .last-contact: last time we heard from peer, or if %unborn, when
@@ -3311,6 +3310,11 @@
     +$  mind  [who=ship lyf=life]                       ::  key identifier
     +$  name  (pair @ta @t)                             ::  ascii / unicode
     +$  oath  @                                         ::  signature
+    ++  tale                                            ::  urbit-signed *
+      |$  [typ]                                         ::  payload mold
+      $:  dat=typ                                       ::  data
+          syg=(map ship (pair life oath))               ::  signatures
+      ==                                                ::
     --  ::  pki
   --  ::  jael
 ::                                                      ::::
diff --git a/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/ames.hoon b/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/ames.hoon
index 82493efdc..456070ac9 100644
--- a/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/ames.hoon
+++ b/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/ames.hoon
@@ -305,12 +305,10 @@
 ::
 ++  sift-roar
   |=  [total=@ud hav=(list have)]
-  ^-  roar
+  ^-  [sig=@ux dat=$@(~ (cask))]
   =/  mes=@
     %+  rep  response-size
-    %+  turn  (flop hav)
-    |=  =have
-    dat.have
+    (roll hav |=([=have dat=(list @ux)] [dat.have dat]))
   =+  sig=(end 9 mes)
   :-  sig
   =+  dat=(rsh 9 mes)
@@ -3838,8 +3836,9 @@
           ++  fi-send
             |=(=hoot fine(event-core (send-blob for=| her `@ux`hoot)))
           ::
-          ++  fi-miss
-            |=([=^duct =_fine] (fi-emit:fine duct %give %miss fi-full-path))
+          ++  fi-give-tune
+            |=  dat=(unit roar)
+            |=([=^duct =_fine] (fi-emit:fine duct %give %tune [her path] dat))
           ::
           +|  %entry-points
           ::
@@ -3902,12 +3901,17 @@
           ::
           ++  fi-unsub
             |=  [=^duct all=?]
-            ?.  |(all (~(has in listeners.keen) duct))
-              %.  fine
-              (fi-trace fin.veb |.("unknown listener, skip"))
-            =?  fine  all  (~(rep in listeners.keen) fi-miss)
-            %-  (fi-trace fin.veb |.("deleting {<fi-full-path>}"))
-            fine(listeners.keen ?:(all ~ (~(del in listeners.keen) duct)))
+            ^+  fine
+            ?:  all
+              %-  (fi-trace fin.veb |.("unsub all {<fi-full-path>}"))
+              (~(rep in listeners.keen) (fi-give-tune ~))
+            ::
+            ?:  (~(has in listeners.keen) duct)
+              %-  (fi-trace fin.veb |.("unsub {<fi-full-path>} on {<duct>}"))
+              fine(listeners.keen (~(del in listeners.keen) duct))
+            ::
+            %.  fine
+            (fi-trace fin.veb |.("unknown {<fi-full-path>} {<duct>}"))
           ::
           +|  %implementation
           ::
@@ -3939,18 +3943,15 @@
           ::
           ++  fi-done
             |=  [sig=@ data=$@(~ (cask))]
-            =/  =gift
-              ::  TODO define data in %tune as a (unit (unit cask))
-              ::  and return ~ signaling a block, instead of %miss?
-              ::  NOTE a %miss gift now represents that the request was dropped
-              ::
-              ?.  (meri:keys fi-full-path sig data)
-                [%miss fi-full-path]
-              [%tune fi-full-path sig ?~(data ~ `data)]
-            %-  (fi-trace fin.veb |.("done {(spud fi-full-path)}"))
-            %-  ~(rep in listeners.keen)
-            |=  [=^duct =_fine]
-            (fi-emit:fine duct %give gift)
+            =/  ful  fi-full-path
+            =/  roar=(unit roar)
+              ?.  (meri:keys ful sig data)
+                ~
+              :+  ~  [ful ?~(data ~ `data)]
+              [[her [life.peer-state sig]] ~ ~]
+            ::
+            %-  (fi-trace fin.veb |.("done {(spud ful)}"))
+            (~(rep in listeners.keen) (fi-give-tune roar))
           ::
           ++  fi-first-rcv
             |=  =meow
diff --git a/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/clay.hoon b/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/clay.hoon
index a7b36bad1..d265dba7a 100644
--- a/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/clay.hoon
+++ b/pkg/arvo/sys/vane/clay.hoon
@@ -6145,15 +6145,24 @@
           =?  den  ?=(%tune +<.hin)
             (cancel-scry-timeout:den index)
           abet:(take-foreign-answer:den index res)
+        ::
         ?:  ?=(%boon +<.hin)  ;;((unit rand) payload.hin)
-        %+  bind  data.hin
+        ::
+        ?~  roar.hin  ~
+        %+  bind  q.dat.u.roar.hin
         |=  =(cask)
         ^-  rand
         ::  retrieve the request from the scry path
         ::
-        =+  (need (de-omen path.hin))
-        =/  =care  ;;(care ?@(vis (rsh 3 vis) car.vis))
-        [[care r.bem q.bem] s.bem cask]
+        =/  pol=(pole knot)  path.hin
+        ?>  ?=([%c car=care cas=@ta des=@tas pat=*] pol)
+        =/  =case  (need (de-case cas.pol))
+        [[car.pol case des.pol] pat.pol cask]
+        ::  XX this just looks wrong
+        ::
+        :: =+  (need (de-omen path.hin))
+        :: =/  =care  ;;(care ?@(vis (rsh 3 vis) car.vis))
+        :: [[care r.bem q.bem] s.bem cask]
       [mos ..^$]
     ::
         %wake
@@ -6191,8 +6200,10 @@
       ::
       =/  fell=(unit fell)
         ?:  ?=(%boon +<.hin)  `;;(fell payload.hin)
-        ?~  data.hin  ~
-        `[%direct (page-to-lobe u.data.hin) u.data.hin]
+        ?~  roar.hin  ~
+        ?~  q.dat.u.roar.hin  ~
+        =*  pag  u.q.dat.u.roar.hin
+        `[%direct (page-to-lobe pag) pag]
       ::
       =^  mos  ruf
         =/  den  ((de now rof hen ruf) her desk)
diff --git a/pkg/base-dev/lib/strandio.hoon b/pkg/base-dev/lib/strandio.hoon
index fc5cb162e..42827888d 100644
--- a/pkg/base-dev/lib/strandio.hoon
+++ b/pkg/base-dev/lib/strandio.hoon
@@ -336,13 +336,13 @@
 ::
 ++  keen
   |=  [=ship =path]
-  =/  m  (strand ,(unit (cask)))
+  =/  m  (strand ,(unit roar:ames))
   ^-  form:m
   =/  =card:agent:gall  [%pass /keen %arvo %a %keen ship path]
   ;<  ~  bind:m  (send-raw-card card)
   ;<  [wire sign=sign-arvo]  bind:m  take-sign-arvo
-  ?>  ?=(%tune +<.sign)
-  (pure:m data.sign)
+  ?>  ?=([%ames %tune *] sign)
+  (pure:m roar.sign)
 ::
 ++  sleep
   |=  for=@dr