diff --git a/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/Cargo.toml b/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/Cargo.toml
index d8e4d866..0fe63e6c 100644
--- a/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/Cargo.toml
+++ b/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/Cargo.toml
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ alloy-primitives = "0.6.2"
 alloy-sol-types = "0.6.2"
 anyhow = "1.0"
 bincode = "1.3.3"
-kinode_process_lib = { git = "https://github.com/kinode-dao/process_lib", rev = "9231881" }
+kinode_process_lib = { git = "https://github.com/kinode-dao/process_lib", rev = "ad17eaa" }
 rand = "0.8"
 serde = { version = "1.0", features = ["derive"] }
 serde_json = "1.0"
diff --git a/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/src/lib.rs b/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/src/lib.rs
index 287f8681..e773004c 100644
--- a/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/src/lib.rs
+++ b/kinode/packages/app_store/app_store/src/lib.rs
@@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
 use kinode_process_lib::eth::{
-    get_logs, subscribe, unsubscribe, Address as EthAddress, EthSub, Filter, SubscriptionResult,
+    get_logs, subscribe, unsubscribe, Address as EthAddress, EthSub, EthSubResult, Filter,
+    SubscriptionResult,
 };
 use kinode_process_lib::http::{bind_http_path, serve_ui, HttpServerRequest};
 use kinode_process_lib::kernel_types as kt;
@@ -58,7 +59,7 @@ pub enum Req {
     RemoteRequest(RemoteRequest),
     FTWorkerCommand(FTWorkerCommand),
     FTWorkerResult(FTWorkerResult),
-    Eth(EthSub),
+    Eth(EthSubResult),
     Http(HttpServerRequest),
 }
 
@@ -184,11 +185,13 @@ fn handle_message(
             Req::FTWorkerResult(r) => {
                 println!("app store: got weird ft_worker result: {r:?}");
             }
-            Req::Eth(sub) => {
+            Req::Eth(eth_result) => {
                 if source.node() != our.node() || source.process != "eth:distro:sys" {
                     return Err(anyhow::anyhow!("eth sub event from weird addr: {source}"));
                 }
-                handle_eth_sub_event(our, &mut state, sub.result)?;
+                if let Ok(EthSub { result, .. }) = eth_result {
+                    handle_eth_sub_event(our, &mut state, result)?;
+                }
             }
             Req::Http(incoming) => {
                 if source.node() != our.node()
diff --git a/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/Cargo.toml b/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/Cargo.toml
index 664b7df3..ee9f411b 100644
--- a/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/Cargo.toml
+++ b/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/Cargo.toml
@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@ alloy-primitives = "0.6.2"
 alloy-sol-types = "0.6.2"
 bincode = "1.3.3"
 hex = "0.4.3"
-kinode_process_lib = { git = "https://github.com/kinode-dao/process_lib", rev = "9231881" }
+kinode_process_lib = { git = "https://github.com/kinode-dao/process_lib", rev = "ad17eaa" }
 rmp-serde = "1.1.2"
 serde = { version = "1.0", features = ["derive"] }
 serde_json = "1.0"
diff --git a/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/src/lib.rs b/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/src/lib.rs
index 19898f86..ca98d3fa 100644
--- a/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/src/lib.rs
+++ b/kinode/packages/kns_indexer/kns_indexer/src/lib.rs
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ use kinode_process_lib::{
     await_message,
     eth::{
         get_block_number, get_logs, subscribe, Address as EthAddress, BlockNumberOrTag, EthSub,
-        Filter, Log, SubscriptionResult,
+        EthSubResult, Filter, Log, SubscriptionResult,
     },
     get_typed_state, print_to_terminal, println, set_state, Address, Message, Request, Response,
 };
@@ -253,12 +253,14 @@ fn handle_eth_message(
     pending_requests: &mut BTreeMap<u64, Vec<IndexerRequests>>,
     body: &[u8],
 ) -> anyhow::Result<()> {
-    let Ok(res) = serde_json::from_slice::<EthSub>(body) else {
+    let Ok(eth_result) = serde_json::from_slice::<EthSubResult>(body) else {
         return Err(anyhow::anyhow!("kns_indexer: got invalid message"));
     };
 
-    if let SubscriptionResult::Log(log) = res.result {
-        handle_log(our, state, &log)?;
+    if let Ok(EthSub { result, .. }) = eth_result {
+        if let SubscriptionResult::Log(log) = result {
+            handle_log(our, state, &log)?;
+        }
     }
 
     // check the pending_requests btreemap to see if there are any requests that
diff --git a/kinode/src/eth/provider.rs b/kinode/src/eth/provider.rs
index eb58f6f6..4c56e761 100644
--- a/kinode/src/eth/provider.rs
+++ b/kinode/src/eth/provider.rs
@@ -243,28 +243,29 @@ async fn handle_local_request(
             EthResponse::Response { value: response }
         }
     };
-
-    let response = KernelMessage {
-        id: km.id,
-        source: Address {
-            node: our.to_string(),
-            process: ETH_PROCESS_ID.clone(),
-        },
-        target: km.source.clone(),
-        rsvp: None,
-        message: Message::Response((
-            Response {
-                inherit: false,
-                body: serde_json::to_vec(&return_body).unwrap(),
-                metadata: req.metadata.clone(),
-                capabilities: vec![],
-            },
-            None,
-        )),
-        lazy_load_blob: None,
-    };
-
-    let _ = send_to_loop.send(response).await;
+    if let Some(_) = req.expects_response {
+        let _ = send_to_loop
+            .send(KernelMessage {
+                id: km.id,
+                source: Address {
+                    node: our.to_string(),
+                    process: ETH_PROCESS_ID.clone(),
+                },
+                target: km.source.clone(),
+                rsvp: km.rsvp.clone(),
+                message: Message::Response((
+                    Response {
+                        inherit: false,
+                        body: serde_json::to_vec(&return_body).unwrap(),
+                        metadata: req.metadata.clone(),
+                        capabilities: vec![],
+                    },
+                    None,
+                )),
+                lazy_load_blob: None,
+            })
+            .await;
+    }
 
     Ok(())
 }
@@ -407,10 +408,33 @@ async fn handle_subscription_stream(
 ) -> Result<(), EthError> {
     match rx.recv().await {
         Err(e) => {
-            return Err(EthError::SubscriptionClosed(sub_id))?;
+            let error = Err(EthError::SubscriptionClosed(sub_id))?;
+            let _ = send_to_loop
+                .send(KernelMessage {
+                    id: rand::random(),
+                    source: Address {
+                        node: our,
+                        process: ETH_PROCESS_ID.clone(),
+                    },
+                    target: target.clone(),
+                    rsvp: rsvp.clone(),
+                    message: Message::Request(Request {
+                        inherit: false,
+                        expects_response: None,
+                        body: serde_json::to_vec(&EthSubResult::Err(EthSubError {
+                            id: sub_id,
+                            error: e.to_string(),
+                        }))
+                        .unwrap(),
+                        metadata: None,
+                        capabilities: vec![],
+                    }),
+                    lazy_load_blob: None,
+                })
+                .await
+                .unwrap();
         }
         Ok(value) => {
-            // this should not return in case of one failed event?
             let event: SubscriptionResult = serde_json::from_str(value.get()).map_err(|_| {
                 EthError::RpcError("eth: failed to deserialize subscription result".to_string())
             })?;
@@ -426,10 +450,10 @@ async fn handle_subscription_stream(
                     message: Message::Request(Request {
                         inherit: false,
                         expects_response: None,
-                        body: serde_json::to_vec(&EthSub {
+                        body: serde_json::to_vec(&EthSubResult::Ok(EthSub {
                             id: sub_id,
                             result: event,
-                        })
+                        }))
                         .unwrap(),
                         metadata: None,
                         capabilities: vec![],
@@ -443,7 +467,6 @@ async fn handle_subscription_stream(
     Err(EthError::SubscriptionClosed(sub_id))
 }
 
-// todo, always send errors or no? general runtime question for other modules too.
 fn make_error_message(our_node: String, km: KernelMessage, error: EthError) -> KernelMessage {
     let source = km.rsvp.unwrap_or_else(|| Address {
         node: our_node.clone(),
diff --git a/lib/src/eth.rs b/lib/src/eth.rs
index a000637f..e36564b9 100644
--- a/lib/src/eth.rs
+++ b/lib/src/eth.rs
@@ -22,13 +22,24 @@ pub enum EthAction {
     },
 }
 
-/// Incoming Request for subscription updates that processes will receive.
+/// Incoming Result type for subscription updates or errors that processes will receive.
+pub type EthSubResult = Result<EthSub, EthSubError>;
+
+/// Incoming Request type for subscription updates.
 #[derive(Debug, Serialize, Deserialize)]
 pub struct EthSub {
     pub id: u64,
     pub result: SubscriptionResult,
 }
 
+/// Incoming Request for subscription errors that processes will receive.
+/// If your subscription is closed unexpectedly, you will receive this.
+#[derive(Debug, Serialize, Deserialize)]
+pub struct EthSubError {
+    pub id: u64,
+    pub error: String,
+}
+
 /// The Response type which a process will get from requesting with an [`EthAction`] will be
 /// of the form `Result<(), EthError>`, serialized and deserialized using `serde_json::to_vec`
 /// and `serde_json::from_slice`.