diff --git a/arvo/eyre.hoon b/arvo/eyre.hoon
index e012a468e6..d2f7522a12 100644
--- a/arvo/eyre.hoon
+++ b/arvo/eyre.hoon
@@ -149,7 +149,7 @@
       [%mess p=hasp q=mark r=wire s=json]
       [%poll p=@uvH]
       [%spur p=spur]
-      [%subs p=?(%put %delt) q=[p=hasp %json q=path]]
+      [%subs p=?(%put %delt) q=[hasp %json wire path]]
       [%view p=ixor q=[~ u=@ud]]
   ==
 ::
@@ -468,7 +468,10 @@
     =.  our  ?~(hov our u.hov)  ::  XX
     ?-    &2.sih
         %crud  +>.$(mow [[hen %slip %d %flog +.sih] mow])
-        %dumb  (emule |.(~|(%gall-stub !!)))
+        %dumb  
+      =.  +>  ?+(tee +> [%of ^] pop-duct:(ire-ix p.tee))
+      (emule |.(~|(gall-dumb/tee !!)))
+    ::
         %went  +>.$
         %thou
       ?>  ?=([%ay ^] tee)
@@ -783,7 +786,8 @@
         ::
             %to
           ?>  =('/' (need-body (ot wire/so ~):jo))  ::  XX custom
-          =-  [%mess [- +<]:dir +>.dir / (need-body (ot:jo xyro/some ~))]
+          =-  :^  %mess  [- +<]:dir  +>.dir 
+              (need-body (ot wire/(cu stab so) xyro/some ~):jo)
           ^=  dir
           =+  ful=(read but %p %tas %tas ~)
           ?^  ful  u.ful
@@ -805,7 +809,9 @@
           ?:  ((sane %tas) i.but)
             $(but [(scot %p our) but])
           ?>  ?=(?(%delt %put) mef)
-          [%subs mef [(slav %p i.but) (slav %tas -.t.but)] u.p.pok +.t.but]
+          =+  :-  hap=[(slav %p i.but) (slav %tas -.t.but)]
+              wir=(need-body (ot wire/(cu stab so) ~):jo)
+          [%subs mef hap u.p.pok wir +.t.but]
         ::
             %auth
           :-  %auth
@@ -876,8 +882,6 @@
         [%& %js (add-json (joba %poll (jape polling-url)) poll:js)]
       ::
           %subs
-        ?>  =((spud q.q.hem) (trip (need-body (ot wire/so ~):jo)))
-          ::  XX custom wire
         ?-  p.hem
           %put   [%| ((teba add-subs:for-view) q.hem)]
           %delt  [%| ((teba del-subs:for-view) q.hem)]
@@ -1084,11 +1088,11 @@
       (hurl-note [a b] [%g %mess [- + ~]:a him c])
     ::
     ++  add-subs
-      |=  [a=hasp %json b=path]  ^+  ..ix
-      (hurl-note [a b] [%g %show [- + ~]:a him b])
+      |=  [a=hasp %json b=wire c=path]  ^+  ..ix
+      (hurl-note [a b] [%g %show [- + ~]:a him c])
     ::
-    ++  del-subs
-      |=  [a=hasp %json b=path]  ^+  ..ix
+    ++  del-subs                      ::  XX per path?
+      |=  [a=hasp %json b=wire c=path]  ^+  ..ix
       (hurl-note [a b] [%g %nuke [- + ~]:a him])
     ::
     ++  get-rush
@@ -1101,13 +1105,11 @@
           %mean
         ?~  p.b                       ::  XX  actually a yawn-told-full
           (get-even %mean [[(slav %p p.a) q.a] r.a] p.b)
-        =^  ned  med  ~(get to med)
-        (mean-json:abet(hen ned) 500 p.b)
+        (mean-json:pop-duct 500 p.b)
       ::
           %nice
         ?:  =(~ med)  ~&  resp-lost/ire  ..ix
-        =^  ned  med  ~(get to med)
-        (nice-json:abet(hen ned))
+        (nice-json:pop-duct)
       ==
     ::
     ++  get-even
@@ -1137,6 +1139,7 @@
       |=  a=[p=hasp wire]
       (pass-note(hen `~) [%of ire (gsig a)] [%g %took [- + ~]:p.a him])
     ::
+    ++  pop-duct  =^(ned med ~(get to med) abet(hen ned))
     ++  poll
       |=  a=@u  ^+  ..ix
       ?:  =(a p.eve)
diff --git a/main/lib/console/core.hook b/main/lib/console/core.hook
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..6654549fbe
--- /dev/null
+++ b/main/lib/console/core.hook
@@ -0,0 +1,142 @@
+::
+::::  /hook/core/console/lib
+  ::  
+  ::  This file is in the public domain.
+  ::
+/?    310
+/-    *console
+!:
+::::
+  ::
+|%
+++  cs                                                  ::  shared-state engine
+  |_  console-share
+  ++  abet  +<
+  ++  apply
+    |=  ted=console-edit 
+    ^+  +>
+    ?-    -.ted
+      %del  +>.$(buf (weld (scag p.ted buf) (slag +(p.ted) buf)))
+      %ins  +>.$(buf (weld (scag p.ted buf) `_buf`[q.ted (slag p.ted buf)]))
+      %mor  |-  ^+  +>.^$
+            ?~  p.ted 
+              +>.^$ 
+            $(p.ted t.p.ted, +>.^$ ^$(ted i.p.ted))
+      %nop  +>.$
+      %set  +>.$(buf p.ted)
+    ==
+  ::
+  ::::
+  ::  ++transmute: symmetric operational transformation.  
+  ::
+  ::  for any console state +>, obeys
+  ::
+  ::      =+  [x=(transmute a b) y=(transmute b a)]
+  ::      .=  (apply:(apply b) x) 
+  ::          (apply:(apply a) y)
+  ::
+  ++  transmute                                         ::  dex as after sin
+    |=  [sin=console-edit dex=console-edit]
+    ^-  console-edit
+    ?:  ?=(%mor -.sin)
+      |-  ^-  console-edit
+      ?~  p.sin  dex
+      $(p.sin t.p.sin, dex ^$(sin i.p.sin))
+    ::
+    ?:  ?=(%mor -.dex)
+      :-  %mor
+      |-  ^-  (list console-edit)
+      ?~  p.dex  ~
+      [^$(dex i.p.dex) $(p.dex t.p.dex)]
+    ::
+    ?:  |(?=(%nop -.sin) ?=(%nop -.dex))  dex
+    ?:  ?=(%set -.sin)                    [%nop ~]
+    ?:  ?=(%set -.dex)                    dex
+    ::
+    ?-    -.sin
+        %del
+      ?-  -.dex
+        %del  ?:  =(p.sin p.dex)  [%nop ~]
+              ?:((lth p.sin p.dex) dex(p (dec p.dex)) dex)
+        %ins  ?:((lte p.sin p.dex) dex(p (dec p.dex)) dex)
+      ==
+    ::  
+        %ins
+      ?-  -.dex
+        %del  ?:((lte p.sin p.dex) dex(p +(p.dex)) dex)
+        %ins  ?:  =(p.sin p.dex)     
+                ?:((gth q.sin q.dex) dex dex(p +(p.dex)))
+              ?:((lte p.sin p.dex) dex(p +(p.dex)) dex)
+      ==
+    ==   
+  ::
+  ++  commit                                            ::  local change
+    |=  ted=console-edit
+    ^-  console-share
+    abet:(apply(own.ven +(own.ven), leg [ted leg]) ted)
+  ::
+  ::::
+  ::  ++inverse: inverse of change in context.
+  ::
+  ::  for any console state +>, obeys
+  ::      
+  ::      =(+> (apply:(apply a) (inverse a)))
+  ::
+  ++  inverse                                           ::  relative inverse
+    |=  ted=console-edit
+    ^-  console-edit
+    =.  ted  ?.(?=([%mor * ~] ted) ted i.p.ted)
+    ?-  -.ted
+      %del  [%ins p.ted (snag p.ted buf)]
+      %ins  [%del p.ted]
+      %mor  :-  %mor
+            %-  flop
+            |-  ^-  (list console-edit)
+            ?~  p.ted  ~
+            :-  ^$(ted i.p.ted)
+            $(p.ted t.p.ted, +>.^$ (apply i.p.ted))
+      %nop  [%nop ~]
+      %set  [%set buf]
+    ==
+  ::
+  ++  receive                                           ::  naturalize event
+    |=  console-change
+    ^-  [console-edit console-share]
+    ?>  &(=(his.ler his.ven) (lte own.ler own.ven))
+    ?>  &(=(his.ler his.ven) (lte own.ler own.ven))
+    ?>  |(!=(own.ler own.ven) =(haw (sham buf)))
+    =.  leg  (scag (sub own.ven own.ler) leg)
+    ::  ~?  !=(own.ler own.ven)  [%miss-leg leg]
+    =+  dat=(transmute [%mor leg] ted)
+    ::  ~?  !=(~ leg)  [%transmute from/ted to/dat ~]
+    [dat abet:(apply(his.ven +(his.ven)) dat)]
+  ::
+  ++  remit                                             ::  conditional accept
+    |=  [cal=console-change ask=$+((list ,@c) ?)]
+    ^-  [(unit console-change) console-share]
+    =+  old=buf
+    =^  dat  +>+<.$  (receive cal)
+    ?:  (ask buf)
+      [~ +>+<.$]
+    =^  lic  +>+<.$  (transmit (inverse(buf old) dat))
+    [`lic +>+<.$]
+  ::
+  ++  transmit                                          ::  outgoing change
+    |=  ted=console-edit
+    ^-  [console-change console-share]
+    [[[his.ven own.ven] (sham buf) ted] (commit ted)]
+  ::
+  ++  transceive                                        ::  receive and invert
+    |=  console-change
+    ^-  [console-edit console-share]
+    =+  old=buf
+    =^  dat  +>+<.$  (receive +<.$)
+    [(inverse(buf old) dat) +>+<.$]
+  ::
+  ++  transpose                                         ::  adjust position
+    |=  pos=@ud
+    =+  dat=(transmute [%mor leg] [%ins pos `@c`0])
+    ?>  ?=(%ins -.dat)
+    p.dat
+  --
+--
diff --git a/main/lib/shu/core.hook b/main/lib/shu/core.hook
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..6628088aa0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/main/lib/shu/core.hook
@@ -0,0 +1,3 @@
+::  Alias
+/+  sh-utils
+.
diff --git a/main/lib/urb.js b/main/lib/urb.js
index e73bec60e5..4d22ad515e 100644
--- a/main/lib/urb.js
+++ b/main/lib/urb.js
@@ -103,6 +103,8 @@ window.urb.poll = function(params) {
         return document.location.reload()  // XX check autoreload
           case "rush":
           case "mean":
+        if(res.data.type == "mean")
+          err = res.data.data
         var fn = $this.gsig(res.data.from)
         if($this.cabs[fn])
           $this.cabs[fn].call(this,err,
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.css b/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.css
index 8f9bc56ecd..4e7b3985a3 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.css
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.css
@@ -107,8 +107,13 @@ body {
 .time {
   font-size: 0.6rem;
   letter-spacing: 0;
+}
+.time {
   font-weight: 200;
 }
+#length {
+  font-weight: 500;
+}
 input.join,
 .iden,
 .audi,
@@ -400,7 +405,7 @@ body {
   outline: none;
   overflow: hidden;
 }
-#audi.valid-false {
+.valid-false {
   color: #ff2f2f;
 }
 #scrolling {
@@ -432,6 +437,17 @@ body {
   }
 }
 @media only screen and (max-width: 1170px) {
+  #station-container.open {
+    max-height: 30rem;
+    height: auto;
+    -webkit-transition: max-height 0.2s;
+  }
+  #station-container.open #where .caret {
+    transform: rotate(90deg);
+    transform-origin: 0 50%;
+    -webkit-transform: rotate(90deg);
+    -webkit-transition: -webkit-transform 0.2s;
+  }
   #c,
   #station-container {
     width: 96%;
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.styl b/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.styl
index c28517571e..d5a05ecb9a 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.styl
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/css/main.styl
@@ -29,8 +29,13 @@ body
 .time
   font-size .6rem
   letter-spacing 0
+
+.time
   font-weight 200
 
+#length
+  font-weight 500
+
 input.join
 .iden
 .audi
@@ -343,7 +348,7 @@ body
   outline none
   overflow hidden
 
-#audi.valid-false
+.valid-false
   color #ff2f2f
 
 //
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/css/mobile.styl b/main/pub/talk/src/css/mobile.styl
index c408a014e7..71568128c7 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/css/mobile.styl
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/css/mobile.styl
@@ -13,6 +13,17 @@
 
 /* laptops / small screens ----------- */
 @media only screen and (max-width: 1170px)
+  #station-container.open
+    max-height 30rem
+    height auto
+    -webkit-transition max-height .2s
+
+  #station-container.open #where .caret
+    transform rotate(90deg)
+    transform-origin 0 50%
+    -webkit-transform rotate(90deg)
+    -webkit-transition -webkit-transform .2s
+    
   #c
   #station-container
     width 96%
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/js/components/WritingComponent.coffee b/main/pub/talk/src/js/components/WritingComponent.coffee
index 551ae962e6..e4f347b06f 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/js/components/WritingComponent.coffee
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/js/components/WritingComponent.coffee
@@ -23,11 +23,6 @@ module.exports = recl
       valid:StationStore.getValidAudience()
     s.audi = _.without s.audi, window.util.mainStationPath window.urb.user
     s.ludi = _.without s.ludi, window.util.mainStationPath window.urb.user
-
-    console.log 'set'
-    console.log s.audi
-    console.log s.ludi
-
     s
 
   getInitialState: -> @stateFromStore()
@@ -68,10 +63,16 @@ module.exports = recl
         ,0
       return false
 
+  _writingKeyUp: (e) ->
+    txt = @$writing.text()
+    @$length.toggleClass('valid-false',(txt.length > 62))
+
   _writingKeyDown: (e) ->
     if e.keyCode is 13
+      txt = @$writing.text()
       e.preventDefault()
-      @sendMessage()
+      if txt.length > 0 and txt.length < 63
+        @sendMessage()
       return false
     @_input()
     @set()
@@ -85,12 +86,7 @@ module.exports = recl
       for url in urls
         length -= url.length
         length += 10
-    @$length.text "#{length}/69"
-    if length >= 69
-      @$writing.text(@$writing.text().substr(0,69))
-      @cursorAtEnd()
-      e.preventDefault() if e
-      return false
+    @$length.text "#{length}/62"
 
   _setFocus: -> @$writing.focus()
 
@@ -173,9 +169,6 @@ module.exports = recl
     audi = if @state.audi.length is 0 then @state.ludi else @state.audi
     audi = window.util.clipAudi audi
 
-    console.log 'audi'
-    console.log audi
-
     k = "writing"
 
     div {className:k}, [
@@ -198,6 +191,7 @@ module.exports = recl
           onInput: @_input
           onPaste: @_input
           onKeyDown: @_writingKeyDown
+          onKeyUp: @_writingKeyUp
           onFocus: @cursorAtEnd
         }, "")
       div {id:"length"}, "0/69"
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/js/main.js b/main/pub/talk/src/js/main.js
index 0c1b855df8..c914f61dda 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/js/main.js
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/js/main.js
@@ -601,9 +601,6 @@ module.exports = recl({
     };
     s.audi = _.without(s.audi, window.util.mainStationPath(window.urb.user));
     s.ludi = _.without(s.ludi, window.util.mainStationPath(window.urb.user));
-    console.log('set');
-    console.log(s.audi);
-    console.log(s.ludi);
     return s;
   },
   getInitialState: function() {
@@ -650,10 +647,19 @@ module.exports = recl({
       return false;
     }
   },
+  _writingKeyUp: function(e) {
+    var txt;
+    txt = this.$writing.text();
+    return this.$length.toggleClass('valid-false', txt.length > 62);
+  },
   _writingKeyDown: function(e) {
+    var txt;
     if (e.keyCode === 13) {
+      txt = this.$writing.text();
       e.preventDefault();
-      this.sendMessage();
+      if (txt.length > 0 && txt.length < 63) {
+        this.sendMessage();
+      }
       return false;
     }
     this._input();
@@ -672,15 +678,7 @@ module.exports = recl({
         length += 10;
       }
     }
-    this.$length.text(length + "/69");
-    if (length >= 69) {
-      this.$writing.text(this.$writing.text().substr(0, 69));
-      this.cursorAtEnd();
-      if (e) {
-        e.preventDefault();
-      }
-      return false;
-    }
+    return this.$length.text(length + "/62");
   },
   _setFocus: function() {
     return this.$writing.focus();
@@ -781,8 +779,6 @@ module.exports = recl({
     name = iden ? iden.name : "";
     audi = this.state.audi.length === 0 ? this.state.ludi : this.state.audi;
     audi = window.util.clipAudi(audi);
-    console.log('audi');
-    console.log(audi);
     k = "writing";
     return div({
       className: k
@@ -807,6 +803,7 @@ module.exports = recl({
         onInput: this._input,
         onPaste: this._input,
         onKeyDown: this._writingKeyDown,
+        onKeyUp: this._writingKeyUp,
         onFocus: this.cursorAtEnd
       }, ""), div({
         id: "length"
@@ -5423,12 +5420,23 @@ MessageActions = require('../actions/MessageActions.coffee');
 
 module.exports = {
   listenStation: function(station, since) {
+    var $this;
+    $this = this;
+    console.log('listen station');
+    console.log(arguments);
     return window.urb.subscribe({
       appl: "talk",
       path: "/f/" + station + "/" + since
     }, function(err, res) {
       var ref, ref1;
-      console.log('m subscription updates');
+      if (err || !res.data) {
+        console.log('/f/ err!');
+        console.log(err);
+        console.log(res);
+        $this.listenStation(station, since);
+        return;
+      }
+      console.log('/f/');
       console.log(res.data);
       if (res.data.ok === true) {
         MessageActions.listeningStation(station);
@@ -5444,7 +5452,12 @@ module.exports = {
       path: "/f/" + station + "/" + end + "/" + start
     }, function(err, res) {
       var ref, ref1;
-      console.log('get');
+      if (err || !res.data) {
+        console.log('/f/ /e/s err');
+        console.log(err);
+        return;
+      }
+      console.log('/f/ /e/s');
       console.log(res);
       if ((ref = res.data) != null ? (ref1 = ref.grams) != null ? ref1.tele : void 0 : void 0) {
         MessageActions.loadMessages(res.data.grams, true);
@@ -5534,7 +5547,7 @@ module.exports = {
       }
     };
     return window.urb.send(send, function(err, res) {
-      console.log('add source updates');
+      console.log('talk-command');
       return console.log(arguments);
     });
   },
@@ -5544,7 +5557,12 @@ module.exports = {
       path: "/a/court"
     }, function(err, res) {
       var ref, ref1;
-      console.log('membership updates');
+      if (err || !res) {
+        console.log('/a/ err');
+        console.log(err);
+        return;
+      }
+      console.log('/a/');
       console.log(res.data);
       if ((ref = res.data) != null ? (ref1 = ref.group) != null ? ref1.global : void 0 : void 0) {
         return StationActions.loadMembers(res.data.group.global);
@@ -5556,7 +5574,12 @@ module.exports = {
       appl: "talk",
       path: "/"
     }, function(err, res) {
-      console.log('house updates');
+      if (err || !res.data) {
+        console.log('/ err');
+        console.log(err);
+        return;
+      }
+      console.log('/');
       console.log(res.data);
       if (res.data.house) {
         return StationActions.loadStations(res.data.house);
@@ -5569,7 +5592,12 @@ module.exports = {
       path: "/ax/" + station
     }, function(err, res) {
       var ref;
-      console.log('station subscription updates');
+      if (err || !res) {
+        console.log('/ax/ err');
+        console.log(err);
+        return;
+      }
+      console.log('/ax/');
       console.log(res.data);
       if (res.data.ok === true) {
         StationActions.listeningStation(station);
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/MessagePersistence.coffee b/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/MessagePersistence.coffee
index 728a711379..79e0a7f7ac 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/MessagePersistence.coffee
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/MessagePersistence.coffee
@@ -2,11 +2,20 @@ MessageActions = require '../actions/MessageActions.coffee'
 
 module.exports =
   listenStation: (station,since) ->
+    $this = this
+    console.log 'listen station'
+    console.log arguments
     window.urb.subscribe {
       appl:"talk"
       path:"/f/#{station}/#{since}"
      }, (err,res) ->
-        console.log('m subscription updates')
+        if err or not res.data
+          console.log '/f/ err!'
+          console.log err
+          console.log res
+          $this.listenStation station,since
+          return
+        console.log('/f/')
         console.log(res.data)
         if res.data.ok is true
           MessageActions.listeningStation station
@@ -18,8 +27,12 @@ module.exports =
       appl:"talk"
       path:"/f/#{station}/#{end}/#{start}"
     }, (err,res) ->
-      console.log 'get'
-      console.log res
+      if err or not res.data
+        console.log '/f/ /e/s err'
+        console.log err
+        return
+      console.log '/f/ /e/s'
+      console.log res        
       if res.data?.grams?.tele
         MessageActions.loadMessages res.data.grams,true
         window.urb.unsubscribe {
diff --git a/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/StationPersistence.coffee b/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/StationPersistence.coffee
index 846353aac1..23b4ba5422 100644
--- a/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/StationPersistence.coffee
+++ b/main/pub/talk/src/js/persistence/StationPersistence.coffee
@@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ module.exports =
             caption:""
             cordon:{posture:"white", list:[]}
     window.urb.send send, (err,res) ->
-      console.log 'add source updates'
+      console.log 'talk-command'
       console.log arguments
 
   members: ->
@@ -44,7 +44,11 @@ module.exports =
       appl:"talk"
       path:"/a/court"
     }, (err,res) ->
-      console.log 'membership updates'
+      if err or not res
+        console.log '/a/ err'
+        console.log err
+        return
+      console.log '/a/'
       console.log res.data
       if res.data?.group?.global
         StationActions.loadMembers res.data.group.global
@@ -54,7 +58,11 @@ module.exports =
       appl:"talk"
       path:"/"
      }, (err,res) ->
-        console.log 'house updates'
+        if err or not res.data
+          console.log '/ err'
+          console.log err
+          return
+        console.log '/'
         console.log res.data
         if res.data.house
           StationActions.loadStations res.data.house
@@ -64,7 +72,11 @@ module.exports =
       appl:"talk"
       path:"/ax/#{station}"
      }, (err,res) ->
-        console.log('station subscription updates')
+        if err or not res
+          console.log '/ax/ err'
+          console.log err
+          return
+        console.log('/ax/')
         console.log(res.data)
         if res.data.ok is true
           StationActions.listeningStation station
diff --git a/main/sur/talk/core.hook b/main/sur/talk/core.hook
index 120855b4a4..3384f35010 100644
--- a/main/sur/talk/core.hook
+++ b/main/sur/talk/core.hook
@@ -37,10 +37,10 @@
   $%  [%twitter p=@t]                                   ::  twitter
   ==                                                    ::
 ++  posture                                             ::  security posture
-  $?  %black                                            ::  channel
-      %white                                            ::  village
-      %green                                            ::  journal
-      %brown                                            ::  mailbox
+  $?  %black                                            ::  public
+      %white                                            ::  private
+      %green                                            ::  readonly 
+      %brown                                            ::  writeonly
   ==                                                    ::
 ++  presence   ?(%gone %hear %talk)                     ::  status type
 ++  register  (pair atlas (map partner atlas))          ::  ping me, ping srcs